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J2o on PS 0.50$ SNG
I know I played the hand wrong but I want to know if my opponent played it right
October 16, 2016
4:25 am
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold’em, 0.5 Tournament, 75/150 Blinds (5 handed) – PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Button (t1,640)
SB (t1,434)
Hero (BB) (t3,894)
UTG (t5,472)
MP (t1,060)

Hero’s M: 17.31

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2https://i2.wp.com/www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif?w=1080, Jhttps://i1.wp.com/www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif?w=1080
1 fold, MP calls t150, 1 fold, SB calls t75, Hero checks

Flop: (t450) 5https://i2.wp.com/www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif?w=1080, 10https://i2.wp.com/www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif?w=1080, 9https://i2.wp.com/www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif?w=1080 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP bets t150, 1 fold, Hero calls t150

Turn: (t750) Qhttps://i2.wp.com/www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif?w=1080 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets t760 (All-In), Hero calls t760

River: (t2,270) 5https://i1.wp.com/www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif?w=1080 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t2,270

Results below:

Hero had 2https://i2.wp.com/www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif?w=1080, Jhttps://i1.wp.com/www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif?w=1080 (one pair, fives).
MP had 5https://i1.wp.com/www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif?w=1080, Ahttps://i1.wp.com/www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif?w=1080 (three of a kind, fives).
Outcome: MP won t2,270

October 17, 2016
9:28 am
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No – your opponent played it incorrectly. He should be open-jamming or folding A5-suited pre-flop with a 7BB chip stack. He should never be open-limping here with such a small stack.

October 18, 2016
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Is this some kind of a joke? You are in yellow zone, nearly in green zone. Why should you call a raise with total junk from OOP? Did you feel you wount get a better opportunity to increase your stack later on?

If I anything understand you where playing on the fifth level or so because the blinds were 75/150. Then, if I am correct, it is time to start steel blinds, not waist chips in a play like this. Your opponent played it quite well: he managed to take as much chips as he could from you.

If this was a single table sit and go and only five left, it makes your play look ever worse and your opponent’s play brilliant.

Btw, MP’s play was the one Andy Bloch, the tournament expert, suggested in times past.

October 18, 2016
9:31 am
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Markku said
Is this some kind of a joke? You are in yellow zone, nearly in green zone. Why should you call a raise with total junk from OOP? Did you feel you wount get a better opportunity to increase your stack in any case?

If I anything understand you where playing on the fifth level or so because the blinds were 75/150. Then, if I am correct, it is time to steel blinds, not waist chips in a play like this. Your opponent played it quite well: he managed to take as much chips as he could from you.

If this was a single table sit and go and only five left, it makes your play look ever worse and your opponent’s play brilliant.

Btw, MP’s play was the one Andy Bloch, the tournament expert, suggested in times past.  

He knows he played his hand incorrectly but was mainly asking about villain: “I know I played the hand wrong but I want to know if my opponent played it right”

I disagree that villain played his hand correctly. This appears to be a single table SnG since total chips are equal to 9 people starting with 1,500 chips each.

ICM dictates villain should be push / folding here with a 7BB stack left. Villain should be jamming a range similar to this: 22+ A7s+ A5s-A3s ATo+ K8s+ KJo+ Q9s+ QJo J9s+ T9s 98s in hopes of doubling up or stealing the blinds.

Limping isn’t ideal at all here because it doesn’t accomplish much. Post-flop I’m not a fan of villain’s play since he’s trying to extract value with bottom pair. When he jams the turn he is rarely getting called by worse.

Yes, it worked in a vacuum since hero played his hand poorly, but against someone who is only calling with top or middle pair, villain is eliminated from the SnG when he doesn’t hit his 2-outter ~96% of the time.

October 18, 2016
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I don’t know about vacuums, but limping here, especially if you think the blinds are completing or checking only (if the reeds say so) is ok or even preferable. First-in-vigorish is quit well also, but from the villains point of view in that case he will only win the blinds. He had a piece of the flop and now it is time to go all-in. If he hadn’t he would have had the possibility to back off and try the next time he’d have the possibility to increase his stack. His M=4.7 (assuming there were no antes), so he is only looking for the right spot to shove regardless his cards.

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“Stuff like that is why I prefer cash games. I know I did it right for the money.

But, in a tournament, you can’t buy any more chips. So, should you ‘just call’ and see the turn before you raise?

My wife, Louise, said: “Oh, no, Doyle! Did you go all in again? Why don’t you save back 40-50% in case you lose?”

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October 18, 2016
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The problem with limping here in a 9-man SnG where blinds are increasing fairly quickly is (1) if villain calls and either an opponent raises or he missed the flop, he is down to 6bb’s and (2) he’ll be in the blinds and out of position in 2 hands, where is he doesn’t get a decent hand he’ll be down to 5.5bb’s.

That’s why when you get below 10bb’s in a SnG (especially turbos) and your M ratio is below 6, you’re effectively in the push-fold phase of play. If you correctly use an ICM push-fold chart, regardless of if you win or lose, it’ll be a correct long-term play. This is why lots of tournament resources I’ve researched talking about M consider the Red Zone the push-fold phase.

Moreover, if you limp and then fold, as your stack dwindles you’ll often lose pre-flop fold equity when you do decide to try to steal the blinds.

This is also the chip / blind stealing accumulation phase in single table SnGs. People tend to NIT up and try to make it past the bubble by the time they get down to 4-5 players. They play way too tight to try to make the money, so you can often punish them so long as you don’t have an aggressive player / chip leader in your blinds.

November 25, 2016
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First of all, I should like to apologize thirilias7 for my discourteous writing and completely incomprehensible analysis. I do not have any other excuse than the fact that I was drunk. I truly understand if you feel offended, but I hope you continue posting your questions and hand histories for discussion and analysis for learning purposes. I have always found your posts interesting and refreshing.

Secondly, I thank Alton for his calm analysis of the main issue despite of my irrelevant comments.

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