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Siego7
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June 7, 2017 10:56 pm  

Another 4NL hand...
I open Qc Ad from the BTN and BB reraises. No info on opponent as I was multitabling at that moment...
Anyway I decide to call.
Flop comes Qh 7s 4s and BB bets - I decide to call as I have top pair top kicker and only loose to 3 other hands (AA, KK and QQ).
The turn is another spade (I block none) and villain goes all in...
What would be the right play here?

Game #520444013: Table NL4 - 0.02/0.04 - No Limit Hold'Em - 14:47:50 2017/06/06

***Seated players ***
Seat 1: kistop (€0) (sitting out) S
eat 2: Bawl-leed (€5.22)
Seat 3: nemixc (€4)
Seat 4: Funnyguy4 (€4.38)
Seat 5: SponjBob (€1.81)
Seat 6: Hero(€4)

*** Blinds and button***
Hero has the button
BawHeed posts small blind, €0.02
nemixc posts big blind, €0.04

*** Hole cards ***
Dealt in BawHeed
Dealt in nemixc 
Dealt in Funnyguy4
Dealt in SponjBob
Dealt to Hero[Qc Ad]

*** Preflop ***
Funnyguy4 folds
SponjBob folds
Hero raises €0.12 to €0.12
BawHeed folds
nemixc raises €0.34 to €0.38
Hero calls €0.26

*** Flop ***
[Qh 7s 4s]
nemixc bets €0.78
Hero calls €0.78

*** Turn***
[Oh 7s 4s] [Ts]
nemixc bets €2.84, and is all-in
Hero ???

Will be posted later


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Alton - MicroGrinder Poker
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June 8, 2017 2:09 pm  

Calling pre-flop is fine if villain is 3-betting polarized. Since you don't know anything from villain its okay to assume he might have a wider 3-bet range since you're opening from the BTN.

You have to call the flop here since you called pre-flop, but this issue is that villain mashed a pot-sized bet on the flop, which screams value, value, value.

As played, fold turn to an over-bet jam...because you know nothing about villain and pot-sized bet the flop.

Recommendation for future hand postings: Put the pot size on each street of action so I don't have to calculate it. Also, when you're facing massive raises, look at your mathematical pot odds break even point for calling those raises.


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Siego7
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June 8, 2017 7:44 pm  

Ok, I will try to add the pot size in the future.

 

Outcome of the hand:

*** Turn*** [Oh 7s 4s] [Ts]
nemixc bets €2.84, and is all-in
Hero calls €2.84, and is all-in

***Showdown ***
River [Qh 7s 4s] [Ts] [2c]
nemixc shows [3h Js], High card
Hero shows [Qc Ad], A Pair of Queens and wins €7.94


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Alton - MicroGrinder Poker
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June 9, 2017 6:42 pm  

Wow, that is a complete spew. I would take a note on this opponent. 🙂

But more importantly, when you have no reads on your opponent, fall back to general population reads. What type of range does the general population of 4nl players 3bet, pot-sized flop c-bet and turn jam in a 3-bet pot? You goal is to identify the player pools' general range and narrow it down.

Also, look at your pot odds of just under 2:1 where you need to be right around 35% to be breakeven without rake. With rake, probably 40% to be break-even and anything greater than 40% of the time to show a long-term profit.

While this was a spew, my question to you is how often does the general population read spew off their chips in a 3-bet pot like this? This will tell if you can call or not based upon your pot odds when you have no reads on your opponent.

Hope this helps with your future hands and thought process.


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