Important Forum Announcement

Notice: Due to a website error, I had to revert to a backup of the forum, so some user accounts and posts were unfortunately deleted. Apologies for the inconvenience.


Please consider registering

sp_LogInOut Log In sp_Registration Register

Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search

— Forum Scope —

— Match —

— Forum Options —

Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters

sp_Feed Topic RSS sp_TopicIcon
Am I getting correct pot odds to call on T and R?
December 1, 2017
5:25 pm
Forum Posts: 6
Member Since:
November 11, 2017
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Hand History driven straight to this forum by DriveHUD –

NL Holdem $0.05(BB)
BB ($3.64)
BB ($1.5)
BTN ($1.3)
HERO ($8.31)
BB ($5)
UTG ($5.71)

Dealt to Hero Kd Jc

UTG Folds, BB Raises To $0.15 (Rem. Stack: 3.42), BB Folds, BTN Folds, HERO Calls $0.18 (Rem. Stack: 8.11), BB Folds

Flop ($0.52) 8d Ah Qs
HERO Checks, BB Bets $0.3 (Rem. Stack: 3.12), HERO Calls $0.3 (Rem. Stack: 7.81)

Turn ($1.12) 8d Ah Qs 3c
HERO Checks, BB Bets $0.5 (Rem. Stack: 2.62), HERO Calls $0.5 (Rem. Stack: 7.31)

River ($2.12) 8d Ah Qs 3c Tc
HERO Checks, BB Bets $2.62 (allin) (Rem. Stack: 0.00), HERO Calls $2.62 (Rem. Stack: 4.69)

BB shows Jh Qd

HERO wins $7

December 2, 2017
12:11 am
Forum Posts: 91
Member Since:
November 18, 2016
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Hello DavidGoar

The hand history was not easy to read, but I’ll try to give it a go.

As you call $0.18 I assume the pot is $0.38 on the flop.
Villain bets $0.3 which is about a 30% PSB. 
At the moment you only have King high. 

Odds if you will face another bet on the turn (Rule of 2)
If villain hit the Ace, you need to draw for the straight: 4 outs => 8% pot odds 
If villain only hit the Queen, you have 7 outs (4 T’s and 3 K’s). => 15% pot odds
So not enough in terms of direct pot odds…

Odds if there is check on the turn and you get a free card (Rule of 4)
4 outs => 16%
7 outs => 28% 
As it is quite close, a call is fine as there is still quite some money behind.

Now on the turn.
The pot is now $0.96.
Your situation did not improve and villain bets $0.5, so a 1/2 PSB giving you 3:1 or 25%
As we are on the turn only the Rule of 2 applies:
If villain hit the Ace, you need to draw for the straight: 4 outs => 8% pot odds 
If villain only hit the Queen, you have 7 outs (4 T’s and 3 K’s). => 15% pot odds

We know you are in the last situation, so let’s work on that:
You need to put in $0.5 to win $0.3 (15% of $1.96 pot).
Your profit for this call is $-0.2
Makeup is $1.4 (15% is 6:1 so 0.2 x 7)

As villain has $2.62 behind, the call is correct imo

December 2, 2017
10:44 pm
Alton - MicroGrinder Poker
Forum Posts: 272
Member Since:
April 21, 2016
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Something doesn’t add up with your hand history. It shows 3 people in the BB (I’ve seen others post on other forums with DriveHUD with the same issue).

Also, shows open-raise to $0.15 and your call $0.18. I’d double-check all the info before posting hand histories with DriveHUD in the future.

Anyways…I’ll ignore all of that and base my analysis on what is shown on the flop and turn. If you assume villain’s c-betting range is composed of Ax hands, then you have 4 outs with 8% equity chance of improving getting 26.7% pot odds. So no, you’re not getting the proper pot odds to call. Same is on the turn: 8% equity with 24% pot odds.

I guess the bigger question is if you know how to properly estimate your equity and pot odds, as well as situations where you have good implied odds?

If not, I’d work on improving that. Great thing is I have awesome resources for that (my books and courses on Essential Poker Math).

Forum Timezone: America/Los_Angeles

Most Users Ever Online: 34

Currently Online:
4 Guest(s)

Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)

Top Posters:

Siego7: 91

crance99: 40

superunkn0wn: 39

Markku: 38

simonL: 36

thrilaras7: 21

frogmoreace: 14

Roachz: 11

leverettjl: 8

RandomRivers: 7

Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 0

Members: 201

Moderators: 1

Admins: 1

Forum Stats:

Groups: 6

Forums: 31

Topics: 212

Posts: 756

Newest Members:

tmoney, SeverusRock, Hilarity_Ensues, ZackCruickshank, Sanz, JCalls, DeargDue, TheDarkSoda, Deltax112, Superstickboy

Moderators: regitime: 10

Administrators: Alton - MicroGrinder Poker: 272