Getting Stacked With Low Flushes - Is this just a cooler or a leak in my game?  

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Steelfox7
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June 5, 2016 3:21 am  

Hand 1:  This is Zoom, so I don't really have a read on my opponents, but they do seem to be loose and I could see him shoving on the river with an overpaid.

 

PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php

Button ($17.74)
SB ($11.07)
BB ($18.16)
UTG ($18.81)
Hero (MP) ($10.24)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, Button calls $0.30, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($1) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.95, 1 fold, SB calls $0.95

Turn: ($2.90) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2, SB calls $2

River: ($6.90) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (2 players)
SB bets $7.82 (All-In), Hero calls $6.99 (All-In)

Total pot: $20.88 | Rake: $1.04

Results below: [spoiler]
SB had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (flush, King high).
Hero had 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (flush, nine high).
Outcome: SB won $19.84[/spoiler]

 

Hand 2):  I had the straight flush draw.  Because it was multiway should I have expected a higher flush?  Thanks for the help!

 

PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/

Button ($10.68)
Hero (SB) ($8.70)
BB ($14.60)
UTG ($20.84)
MP ($8.48)
CO ($8.49)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif
UTG raises to $0.30, 1 fold, CO calls $0.30, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($1.20) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets $0.80, CO calls $0.80, Hero calls $0.80, 1 fold

Turn: ($3.60) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $2.80, CO raises to $7.39 (All-In), Hero raises to $7.60 (All-In), UTG calls $4.80

River: ($26.19) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $26.19 | Rake: $1.31

Results below: [spoiler]
Hero had 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (flush, King high).
UTG had 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (flush, King high).
CO didn't show
Outcome: UTG won $24.88[/spoiler]


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Alton - MicroGrinder Poker
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June 5, 2016 8:51 am  

Calling or folding the river in both of these hands is really dependent on your reads on your opponent and his playing style. Without having any reads, it is a really hard spot to be in in both situations.

When you don't have reads on any one particular opponent, my recommendation is to revert to the general player pool. Ask yourself, how does the overall player pool play in this situation and what does that mean?

Hand 1, lots of people are going broke there since the donk jam is super polarized and I think he could be overbet jamming Qx and missed straight draws a well as flushes. So I think you win enough of the time to call.

Hand 2 we could make an argument for folding pre-flop with 98 suited unless UTG & CO are spewy post-flop since its hard to realize your equity when you're out of position. On the flop you're getting 3.5:1 (22%) pot odds. You'll hit your flush on the turn ~18% of the time, so pot odds aren't favorable plus you aren't drawing to the nut flush...which decreases your equity a bit. So calling here isn't as great as when you have a stronger or nut flush. So I wouldn't fault your for folding this flop as well. But calling isn't bad either so long as you think you have good implied odds. The turn is a nasty spot...and if you're ever going to make a HUGE hero fold, this is the spot because the straight flush draw doesn't matter...its a shot in the dark to draw to as a gamble due to the Baluga Theorem (you effectively are drawing to 2 outs for 4% equity if you think you're behind). UTG double barrels 2/3 pot when the flush hits (so he isn't afraid of the hearts) and CO raise jams (so either he has something like AKo with the Aheartor a strong flush as well). I just don't think you win enough here to call...people will call it nitty but I think folding here is the correct long-term move.

Those are my thoughts...hope they help.


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