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Did i palyed this draw to timid?
July 14, 2016
9:15 pm
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simonL
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PRE: I was getting a good price to call with one gapper
and I though it migth be a good range against BTN range.

Flop: flop hit my nice with with 11-13 outs.Small bet to get THEM to call with probably boradway cards in their
range, maybe weak ace.
Should i played this already aggresively?

I called x/rasie cuz i thought he might be thinking that I’m tryin to pick up
this pot, so I called cuz I’m on the strong draw.

Turn: J is dangerous – completeS better straight, and
it’S broadway card.
I called turn 1/2 size bet cuz my draw looks too strong to ley it down.

River: check with intention to call, depending on river size bet.

 

 

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) – $0.05 NL (6 max) – Holdem – 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 165.2 BB
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.63, PFR: 18.98, 3Bet Preflop: 14.00, Hands: 144)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
BTN: 110.6 BB (VPIP: 21.74, PFR: 4.35, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
SB: 109.6 BB (VPIP: 68.18, PFR: 11.36, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 44)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 8heart 7club

fold, fold, BTN raises to 2 BB, SB calls 1.6 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 3 players) 6spade 7spade 9club
SB checks, Hero bets 1.8 BB, BTN raises to 5.4 BB, fold, Hero calls 3.6 BB

Turn: (16.8 BB, 2 players) Jdiamond
Hero checks, BTN bets 8 BB, Hero calls 8 BB

River: (32.8 BB, 2 players) Jheart
Hero checks, BTN bets 10.4 BB, Hero calls 10.4 BB

Hero shows 8heart 7club (Two Pair, Jacks and Sevens)
(Pre 18%, Flop 46%, Turn 30%)
BTN shows Kclub Kheart (Two Pair, Kings and Jacks)
(Pre 82%, Flop 54%, Turn 70%)
BTN wins 51 BB

0.8 BB was deducted from the pot for the jackpot.

 

You think I could make him fold twose KK on the flop or turn by
barreling this pot?

July 15, 2016
1:02 am
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Lengthy response…how you find it beneficial:

Pre-flop this is close to a fold against an opponent that is playing a VPIP/PFR of 22/4 even against a BTN min-raise. I know its a small sample size and you’re betting 3.5:1 pot odds, but 87o isn’t that great of a hand OOP to a passive opponent that is raising pre-flop. You said you think it might play well against his BTN range, but you’re assuming he has a wide BTN range, when in fact it is probably pretty narrow. Do you have villains steal attempt stats?

As played, the flop is a x/c since we don’t know much about villain other than his BTN range is possibly pretty strong, which would include hands such as 88+, AJ+. Leading out on the flop isn’t a very ideal play unless you are trying to induce a raise from villain and possibly stack off. You do have a lot of outs (OESD, trips, & 2 pair), but we should consider discounting some of them because villain will show up with sets sometimes…but you still have decent equity to get all-in on the flop. Ideally, you should either be taking a x/c or x/r line on the flop depending upon what you know of villain and how much fold equity you have; however, understand that when villain raises you then you should know you are up against an over-pair or sets. By leading out and not stacking off you essentially charged yourself more to see the turn.

On the turn, the J improves villains range and hurts your equity. Getting 3:1, you really aren’t getting that good of pot odds to call and implied odds aren’t great either being OOP and also any card that improves you to the straight will probably kill any action on the river since they’re obvious scare cards. I would probably fold on the turn.

On the river, calling is disasterous against this player type raising the flop and betting 3 streets of value. This type of player never has a bluff in this spot. Even getting 4.3:1, you have to be right greater than 20% of the time considering rake…which I doubt you are. You lose to 77-AA and tons of Jx combos (JT, QJ, KJ, AJ).

I wouldn’t ask the question about wondering if you can make villain fold KK since that is being results-oriented knowing what he has. Instead think about his range based upon his stats, tendencies, notes you have, action in hands and board textures….and then decide how to best play against his entire range…not one particular hand.

July 16, 2016
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I was assuming that he has pretty tight BTN range (like boradway cards) thats why my one gapper might play well when he miss the flop. 
Is that logic make sense?

I usually don’t play this type of hands OOP, even rarely IP.

Yeah I should take x/call line on flop. 

How do you play those kind of draws against pretty tight opponents? 

July 16, 2016
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Hi Simon, see my responses below:

simonL said
I was assuming that he has pretty tight BTN range (like boradway cards) thats why my one gapper might play well when he miss the flop. 
Is that logic make sense?

So your hand isn’t a one-gapper, its actually an off-suited connector. Also, it doesn’t play well versus a strong range, OOP in the SB without the initiative. I did a quick equilab equity calculation to show you. Versus a strong 15% range, 87o has 32% equity. You are getting 3.5:1 to call pre, so you have pot odds assuming you don’t spew off chips post flop and play really well OOP in the blinds. If you don’t you should just fold pre.

simonL said
How do you play those kind of draws against pretty tight opponents?   

Simply fold pre-flop. Its not a hand you want to be defending against strong, tight ranges OOP for several reasons. In your situation where you called, I would x/c the flop depending upon villain’s bet size and the pot odds.

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